Freedom anthems, toxic moms, and power chords: So Have I For You (Nikka Costa)
Nikka Costa’s “So Have I For You” is a must-listen, with unique chord changes, powerful vocal delivery, and the emotional storytelling that defines her acclaimed album "Everybody Got Their Something." In this main segment, we break down the track’s genre-blending influences, discuss the subtle complexities of its lyrics, the arrangement, and instrumentation. Elaine interprets the lyrics as a reaction to a mother-daughter relationship and personal empowerment.
In the Mailbag section, we discuss new music discovery tips, sharing practical strategies for finding fresh tracks in today’s digital landscape. From the value of word-of-mouth recommendations, to the role of streaming algorithms, all the way to creative community ideas like record clubs and collaborative playlists, the segment wraps up with advice on leveraging local libraries for music exploration and encourages listeners to share their own discoveries, reinforcing the podcast’s mission to foster a vibrant, engaged community of musicians and fans.
This is the last episode of the first season, with plans to return in the fall.
Listen to the song
- YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S23mxRA4NdQ
- Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/track/7De0muwuDqAymX6taRwzIe
- Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/song/so-have-i-for-you/723699743
- Amazon - https://music.amazon.com/albums/B000THIK2O?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_4VX4PBRQ777wfnqnCWRzGtZI2&trackAsin=B000THBOTK
Other links
- Playlist of the songs we’ve reviewed
- YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5bn23baJ4xQ1t0TMqukELY5W95HwuMoT
- Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7gCOF5M0zYS1fBvXgT5ccI?si=7F3yVdEDRRWa_gAArK3AYg
- Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/songs-reviewed-on-the-musicians-loupe/pl.u-V9D7maah06JNo
- Amazon Music - https://music.amazon.com/user-playlists/3b47be4937b7490982f4a872db32ec8dsune?ref=dm_sh_AEFZY8KhvSsz1TGoRmasg6zHZ
About us
Trist Curless is a Los Angeles-based vocalist, educator, and sound engineer. As a performer, Trist has toured worldwide as a co-founder of the pop-jazz vocal group m-pact and a 10 year member of the Grammy-award winning The Manhattan Transfer. In addition to these two vocal powerhouse groups, he’s also performed with Take 6, Bobby McFerrin, New York Voices, Vox Audio, Naturally 7, and The Swingle Singers. His latest venture, The LHR Project, is a new vocal group collective celebrating legendary jazz vocal group Lambert, Hendricks, and Ross.
As an audio engineer, Trist has toured nationally with several vocal groups and bands in a large variety of venues, working for Grammy award winners Pentatonix and Take 6, as well as prominent a cappella vocal groups Straight No Chaser, VoicePlay, and Accent.
Elaine Chao, M.Ed is a San Francisco Bay Area-based vocalist, multi-instrumentalist, vocal percussionist, and songwriter whose career spans a cappella, contemporary worship, and classical music. She has leveraged her training in classical and choral music over the course of her contemporary performance, including in orchestras for musical theatre and in sacred spaces. In addition to music, she also is a martial artist and published author. She currently leads a product management team at a major software company dedicated to creative expression. All statements in this podcast are her own and do not reflect the opinions of her employer.
Transcript
Elaine: Hey, Trist, what do we have this week?
Speaker:Trist: What we have this week is the final episode of Season One.
Speaker:Elaine: Woo!
Speaker:Trist: That's what we have this week.
Speaker:Trist: And in the process of making this for you folks, I grappled
Speaker:Trist: at the beginning and throughout because so many of these songs
Speaker:Trist: that we choose come from albums that I love.
Speaker:Trist: Like I love the whole album.
Speaker:Trist: So while we're not changing the
Speaker:Trist: format to covering full albums,
Speaker:Trist: if we did, this would be one of
Speaker:Trist: them.
Speaker:Trist: This is going to be from Nikka
Speaker:Trist: Costa and the song is "So Have I
Speaker:Trist: for You."
Speaker:Trist: "Everybody Got Their Something"
Speaker:Trist: is the name of the album that is
Speaker:Trist: incredible.
Speaker:Trist: And it's twenty five years old
Speaker:Trist: this year, the year of our Lord
Speaker:Trist: 2026.
Speaker:Elaine: So before we take a break to listen to the song, can you
Speaker:Elaine: remind us all how we're listening to music as a part of
Speaker:Elaine: The Musician's Loupe community?
Speaker:Trist: Oh, we're listening to this one loudly.
Speaker:Trist: Okay, maybe not, but if you're
Speaker:Trist: home by yourself, definitely
Speaker:Trist: crank it.
Speaker:Trist: This is so good.
Speaker:Trist: Did I mention listen to the whole album?
Speaker:Trist: So what we like to say here at
Speaker:Trist: The Musician's Loupe is, first
Speaker:Trist: of all, thank you for listening
Speaker:Trist: at all.
Speaker:Trist: So no matter what environment
Speaker:Trist: you're in, we are thrilled to
Speaker:Trist: have you.
Speaker:Trist: That said, if you can, put it on
Speaker:Trist: the better settings in your car,
Speaker:Trist: put on the better headphones, go
Speaker:Trist: to the better speakers, put on
Speaker:Trist: the vinyl version that's really
Speaker:Trist: nice that you spend a lot of
Speaker:Trist: money on instead of just through
Speaker:Trist: your earbuds.
Speaker:Trist: We just like to encourage it.
Speaker:Trist: I think I speak for myself, I
Speaker:Trist: will even just lazily listen to
Speaker:Trist: whatever is just at my
Speaker:Trist: fingertips and not utilize the
Speaker:Trist: nice gear I have all the time,
Speaker:Trist: sometimes out of convenience,
Speaker:Trist: but sometimes out of just pure
Speaker:Trist: laziness.
Speaker:Trist: So don't be lazy.
Speaker:Trist: Listen on the good stuff.
Speaker:Trist: If you can, take the time to do it.
Speaker:Elaine: All right.
Speaker:Elaine: So we are going to pause.
Speaker:Elaine: We'll put the links into the show notes so that you can
Speaker:Elaine: listen to the song.
Speaker:Elaine: And we'll be right back.
Speaker:Elaine: And we are back.
Speaker:Elaine: Okay. I will say that this is one of my favorite songs from
Speaker:Elaine: one of my favorite albums.
Speaker:Elaine: And by the way, this is one of the first albums that you
Speaker:Elaine: recommended to me when
Speaker:Trist: Hey.
Speaker:Elaine: we first started to do the album recommendation game.
Speaker:Trist: How about that?
Speaker:Elaine: There you go.
Speaker:Elaine: So I have listened to this one a whole bunch of times.
Speaker:Elaine: According to Apple Music, I've
Speaker:Elaine: listened to this at least 120
Speaker:Elaine: times.
Speaker:Elaine: I think it is an undercount because
Speaker:Trist: Oh. I'm sure.
Speaker:Elaine: yeah, this is definitely one of my favorite songs here.
Speaker:Elaine: And it is interesting because I had forgotten that it was from
Speaker:Elaine: this particular genre, mostly because I initially heard this
Speaker:Elaine: album long after it was released, so I had no anchor in
Speaker:Elaine: time to when it was actually released to say, oh, this is
Speaker:Elaine: from this particular genre.
Speaker:Trist: Right.
Speaker:Elaine: I was thinking about this album.
Speaker:Elaine: There are songs on this album that don't sound dated at all.
Speaker:Trist: Yeah.
Speaker:Elaine: And yet this one, I felt sounded
Speaker:Elaine: a little bit more dated from
Speaker:Elaine: just the effects on her voice
Speaker:Elaine: and such.
Speaker:Elaine: So can you tell me a little bit
Speaker:Elaine: about why you chose this song
Speaker:Elaine: over the other ones on the
Speaker:Elaine: album?
Speaker:Trist: Oh, man.
Speaker:Trist: Well, did we mention you should just listen to the whole album?
Speaker:Trist: If not, definitely do that.
Speaker:Trist: So, the thing that I like about this, this is in that category
Speaker:Trist: of: the big hit, probably her biggest hit ever was from this
Speaker:Trist: album, "Like a Feather."
Speaker:Trist: Great.
Speaker:Trist: still holds up, I think it's still a great, great track.
Speaker:Trist: There's a reason it was a hit.
Speaker:Trist: When you listen to the album the first time, it's definitely one
Speaker:Trist: that stands out.
Speaker:Trist: "So Have I for You" is one of those that is then stuck in your
Speaker:Trist: head after the fifth listen.
Speaker:Trist: The first time you hear it.
Speaker:Trist: Oh yeah, that's really good.
Speaker:Trist: Like you might like it just fine.
Speaker:Trist: But in the first listen, there are several other songs that may
Speaker:Trist: stick in your head.
Speaker:Trist: There are a few songs where, after you've listened to the
Speaker:Trist: album many times, on that fifth, sixth, those repeat listens.
Speaker:Trist: "Oh, wow, I love this song."
Speaker:Trist: Like we said, if you listen to this whole album, that'll happen
Speaker:Trist: to you too.
Speaker:Elaine: This is definitely either my
Speaker:Elaine: second or third favorite song on
Speaker:Elaine: the album.
Speaker:Elaine: It made it to certain playlists that I had for focus, and just
Speaker:Elaine: for the ones that I felt were a little bit more of a bop.
Speaker:Trist: Well, even that fits what we usually do because we usually
Speaker:Trist: don't pick the biggest hit song.
Speaker:Trist: We usually pick like the second or third song, so it even fits
Speaker:Trist: for you personally.
Speaker:Elaine: Exactly.
Speaker:Elaine: Well, that being said, for me, this one really stuck out
Speaker:Elaine: because the chord changes are
Speaker:Trist: Um
Speaker:Elaine: a bit
Speaker:Trist: hmm.
Speaker:Elaine: unusual for rock.
Speaker:Elaine: It's interesting because Apple
Speaker:Elaine: Music classifies Nikka Costa as
Speaker:Elaine: pop instead of rock, but it
Speaker:Elaine: definitely has a huge rock
Speaker:Elaine: influence on all of her music on
Speaker:Elaine: this album.
Speaker:Elaine: For this one, the chords are not
Speaker:Elaine: something that you normally
Speaker:Elaine: hear.
Speaker:Elaine: It's not even your typical, jazz stuff that you have.
Speaker:Elaine: There's definitely chord changes
Speaker:Elaine: that are really just out there,
Speaker:Elaine: but they really fit with the
Speaker:Elaine: music.
Speaker:Elaine: And so that's part of the reason I like this particular song.
Speaker:Elaine: Can you tell me a little bit
Speaker:Elaine: more about what you like about
Speaker:Elaine: this song?
Speaker:Trist: I like the changes.
Speaker:Trist: I really love basically kind of the back half of the chorus, I
Speaker:Trist: guess you could call it.
Speaker:Trist: Some of these tunes like this,
Speaker:Trist: it's hard to give good
Speaker:Trist: descriptions, but it's the,
Speaker:Trist: "That's all I need to free
Speaker:Trist: myself."
Speaker:Trist: So she says that line twice and
Speaker:Trist: every time, the second time she
Speaker:Trist: sings it.
Speaker:Trist: The second "free," the chord is great.
Speaker:Trist: It's probably like the tritone of the key.
Speaker:Trist: So that's what makes it cool.
Speaker:Trist: The fact that it's a tritone doesn't make it cool.
Speaker:Trist: The sound is what makes it cool.
Speaker:Trist: um,
Speaker:Elaine: Yeah, it has a little bit of tension there,
Speaker:Trist: yeah,
Speaker:Elaine: right.
Speaker:Elaine: Is what you're talking
Speaker:Trist: yeah,
Speaker:Elaine: about.
Speaker:Trist: it's like because it repeats a
Speaker:Trist: line and there's just one chord
Speaker:Trist: different.
Speaker:Trist: It's not a big reharmonization, just sings the line twice and
Speaker:Trist: every time the second time is like I said, I'll just call it
Speaker:Trist: the cool chord.
Speaker:Trist: I love that.
Speaker:Elaine: One other thing that I really loved about this track was just
Speaker:Elaine: her voice on it.
Speaker:Elaine: And this was my first experience
Speaker:Elaine: with Nikka Costa as an artist,
Speaker:Elaine: and just the quality of her
Speaker:Elaine: voice and the way that she was
Speaker:Elaine: singing, and a lot of the
Speaker:Elaine: harmonies sounded like her as
Speaker:Elaine: well, just not like random
Speaker:Elaine: background vocalists.
Speaker:Elaine: And there was something about the quality of her voice that
Speaker:Elaine: was just very passionate and at the same time, very focused.
Speaker:Elaine: So there was this bell tone to
Speaker:Elaine: her voice that I really, really
Speaker:Elaine: loved.
Speaker:Elaine: It rang.
Speaker:Elaine: It wasn't super piercing, but it was piercing enough to get the
Speaker:Elaine: sense of oomph to it, maybe even a little bit of a gospel oomph
Speaker:Elaine: to it, even though she was apparently born in Tokyo and to
Speaker:Elaine: American parents and so very international kind of
Speaker:Elaine: upbringing, even though she's here in the United States now.
Speaker:Trist: And yes, seeing that her father,
Speaker:Trist: Don Costa, is very important
Speaker:Trist: arranger.
Speaker:Trist: Huge.
Speaker:Trist: Like massively important arranger.
Speaker:Trist: Did a lot of arranging, especially orchestral arranging
Speaker:Trist: for Frank Sinatra.
Speaker:Trist: He did a lot of producing and directing and arranging.
Speaker:Trist: Matter of fact, on a later
Speaker:Trist: album, she found an old score
Speaker:Trist: that her dad had done for
Speaker:Trist: Sinatra and had someone do a
Speaker:Trist: reduction and it's on her
Speaker:Trist: strings album that just a string
Speaker:Trist: quartet did a version of one of
Speaker:Trist: the songs.
Speaker:Trist: But anyway, check that out.
Speaker:Trist: Also, the last little tidbit I remember off my head is she was
Speaker:Trist: basically a child star in Italy.
Speaker:Elaine: Oh.
Speaker:Trist: She had a big hit as a little kid,
Speaker:Elaine: Interesting.
Speaker:Trist: like '81 or something like this.
Speaker:Trist: Every once in a while, you'll
Speaker:Trist: see these albums of her just as
Speaker:Trist: Nikka Costa, and there's this
Speaker:Trist: cute little girl's face on the
Speaker:Trist: front and I'm like, wait a
Speaker:Trist: minute.
Speaker:Elaine: Well, let's continue talking about the music here because
Speaker:Elaine: there's so much to say.
Speaker:Elaine: Now, one thing that I found
Speaker:Elaine: really interesting, I tried to
Speaker:Elaine: figure out the beats per minute
Speaker:Elaine: because we have talked about
Speaker:Elaine: this mid tempo song before,
Speaker:Elaine: about how we tend to skew more
Speaker:Elaine: towards really fast or really
Speaker:Elaine: slow songs.
Speaker:Elaine: And this one kind of hits right in the between.
Speaker:Elaine: It's got that 76 beats per minute.
Speaker:Elaine: It's not quite a ballad and it
Speaker:Elaine: is at the same time, it still
Speaker:Elaine: moves.
Speaker:Elaine: And so can you talk a little bit about how this song fits into
Speaker:Elaine: your general spectrum of tempo?
Speaker:Trist: I think that's right.
Speaker:Trist: It's not really necessarily a
Speaker:Trist: ballad, but it's not a like
Speaker:Trist: in-your-face, it's about the
Speaker:Trist: chords.
Speaker:Trist: It helps also more emphasis on the lyric now.
Speaker:Trist: We've talked about this before
Speaker:Trist: about how the setting of the
Speaker:Trist: song really will serve a lyric,
Speaker:Trist: something that's a lot faster or
Speaker:Trist: more groove oriented might
Speaker:Trist: distract from the really great
Speaker:Trist: lyrics.
Speaker:Trist: I'd love to hear from you about those actually.
Speaker:Trist: What struck you as you were breaking down the lyrical
Speaker:Trist: content of this one?
Speaker:Trist: I'm fascinated to know.
Speaker:Elaine: This one was very interesting for me because I realized after
Speaker:Elaine: 120 plus listens, probably a couple hundred more than that, I
Speaker:Elaine: really hadn't listened so closely to really understand the
Speaker:Elaine: depth of this song.
Speaker:Elaine: And so as I was analyzing this, I realized that this was
Speaker:Elaine: actually a song about her mother or about this narrator talking
Speaker:Elaine: about their mother figure.
Speaker:Trist: Hm!
Speaker:Elaine: And, before I was just like, oh
Speaker:Elaine: yeah, it says Mama, but, you
Speaker:Elaine: know, it could be any kind of
Speaker:Elaine: woman that is in this adult
Speaker:Elaine: mother figure.
Speaker:Elaine: But this lyric really does talk about how the narrator is trying
Speaker:Elaine: to reinvent herself and this almost chip on the shoulder
Speaker:Elaine: feeling that she has, saying like, I got something to prove,
Speaker:Elaine: and this is how I'm going to prove: I'm not going to use a
Speaker:Elaine: gun, I'm actually going to use my voice in this melody.
Speaker:Trist: Hm.
Speaker:Elaine: And then you hear more about the
Speaker:Elaine: relationship between the
Speaker:Elaine: narrator and this mother figure
Speaker:Elaine: and through the similes that it
Speaker:Elaine: uses, right?
Speaker:Elaine: There's like metaphors and similes, the thought of similes
Speaker:Elaine: being something being "like" something else, and then that
Speaker:Elaine: being "like" this person's experience with the other person
Speaker:Elaine: in this toxic relationship.
Speaker:Elaine: She does say at the very beginning, "I am a woman with a
Speaker:Elaine: mission and a past to outdo."
Speaker:Elaine: And so it talks a lot about, oh,
Speaker:Elaine: there's something I need to
Speaker:Elaine: overcome here.
Speaker:Elaine: And then the different similes.
Speaker:Elaine: I'm just going to read out the different ones.
Speaker:Elaine: "Just like the earth has spent a thousand years making up for
Speaker:Elaine: what we do."
Speaker:Elaine: "Just like the heart that spent
Speaker:Elaine: a lifetime forgiving what is
Speaker:Elaine: cruel."
Speaker:Elaine: And
Speaker:Trist: MM.
Speaker:Elaine: "just like the sea has spent
Speaker:Elaine: eternity at the mercy of the
Speaker:Elaine: moon."
Speaker:Trist: Ooh.
Speaker:Elaine: And
Speaker:Trist: That's
Speaker:Elaine: each
Speaker:Trist: my favorite
Speaker:Elaine: one of
Speaker:Trist: one.
Speaker:Elaine: these things has a different sense to it, that the more I
Speaker:Elaine: looked at it, the more I was like, oh man, this is so deep!
Speaker:Elaine: And the first one thinking about "just like the earth has spent a
Speaker:Elaine: thousand years making up for what we do."
Speaker:Trist: MM.
Speaker:Elaine: There's a sense of, oh, there is
Speaker:Elaine: a healing that's going on that
Speaker:Elaine: the earth out of its normal
Speaker:Elaine: healing process.
Speaker:Elaine: But it just takes time.
Speaker:Elaine: So it could be this humans are destroying things and the earth
Speaker:Elaine: recovers from it, but it always takes longer to recover than it
Speaker:Elaine: does to destroy.
Speaker:Elaine: And so she uses that as a simile to how she feels in this
Speaker:Elaine: relationship with this other person, with this mother figure.
Speaker:Elaine: And then you say like, "just
Speaker:Elaine: like the heart that spent a
Speaker:Elaine: lifetime forgiving what is
Speaker:Elaine: cruel."
Speaker:Elaine: You do find out with this as
Speaker:Elaine: well as some of the other things
Speaker:Elaine: that she says in the lyrics
Speaker:Elaine: before.
Speaker:Elaine: For instance, "your seeds of
Speaker:Elaine: misery have sprouted, and they
Speaker:Elaine: try to block my way, and you
Speaker:Elaine: just try to disarm me with an
Speaker:Elaine: embrace."
Speaker:Elaine: Like you find out a little bit
Speaker:Elaine: more about the manipulation that
Speaker:Elaine: happens through this parental
Speaker:Elaine: figure that she is trying to get
Speaker:Elaine: away from.
Speaker:Elaine: And so I guess it's like those things, and it is one of these
Speaker:Elaine: push and pull type of things, because she does talk about how
Speaker:Elaine: the sea is spent eternity at the mercy of the moon.
Speaker:Elaine: There's this gravitational pull
Speaker:Elaine: that she feels with this other
Speaker:Elaine: person that is something that
Speaker:Elaine: she feels like she has to
Speaker:Elaine: overcome because,
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: she does have a mission.
Speaker:Elaine: She's a woman on a mission.
Speaker:Elaine: She declares it twice because
Speaker:Trist: Yeah.
Speaker:Elaine: that first part of that first verse is repeated as the first
Speaker:Elaine: part of the second verse.
Speaker:Elaine: And as I've said before,
Speaker:Elaine: repetition is a really deep
Speaker:Elaine: indication of what really
Speaker:Elaine: matters in a song and the fact
Speaker:Elaine: that there is a full first half
Speaker:Elaine: of a verse repeat in the second
Speaker:Elaine: half of the verse tells me a
Speaker:Elaine: little something about what she
Speaker:Elaine: is trying to emphasize in this
Speaker:Elaine: song.
Speaker:Trist: And
Speaker:Elaine: So.
Speaker:Trist: on each of those lines, you said that she follows with a "so have
Speaker:Trist: I for you."
Speaker:Trist: Just
Speaker:Elaine: Exactly.
Speaker:Trist: like just like these things.
Speaker:Trist: So have I for you.
Speaker:Trist: She
Speaker:Elaine: Mhm.
Speaker:Trist: punctuates those, each with that.
Speaker:Elaine: And even in the second half of
Speaker:Elaine: the second verse, I have
Speaker:Elaine: justified every wave in our
Speaker:Elaine: ocean.
Speaker:Elaine: So our ocean, meaning
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: the relationship.
Speaker:Elaine: I've covered every range of emotion.
Speaker:Elaine: So the more that she's talking about this.
Speaker:Elaine: The more it's like describing the complexity and the entirety
Speaker:Elaine: of the emotions that she's felt over the course of this
Speaker:Elaine: relationship, which I think she's probably still in.
Speaker:Elaine: You know,
Speaker:Trist: And that's it.
Speaker:Elaine: and
Speaker:Trist: And
Speaker:Elaine: so.
Speaker:Trist: that's a perfectly mother daughter thing, just
Speaker:Elaine: Exactly.
Speaker:Trist: like the sea has spent eternity at the mercy.
Speaker:Trist: Like as a daughter, you're at the mercy of your mother.
Speaker:Elaine: That's
Speaker:Trist: And,
Speaker:Elaine: right.
Speaker:Trist: you know, there's lots of tumultuous mother-daughter
Speaker:Trist: relationships like that that just go on and on forever.
Speaker:Trist: Some are just like that as youth.
Speaker:Trist: And then they grow together and everything is cool and some
Speaker:Trist: don't ever get out of that.
Speaker:Trist: But, I love where you're going with all this.
Speaker:Trist: I never thought of this as a mother type relationship, but as
Speaker:Trist: you're pointing all these out, especially that one, the "wave
Speaker:Trist: of our ocean covered all the-" "just like the sea has spent
Speaker:Trist: eternity at the mercy of the moon, so have I, for you."
Speaker:Elaine: And
Speaker:Trist: Did we
Speaker:Elaine: it
Speaker:Trist: mention
Speaker:Elaine: was something.
Speaker:Trist: this song is awesome, by the
Speaker:Elaine: It
Speaker:Trist: way?
Speaker:Elaine: is. I had to go back multiple times and I was writing my
Speaker:Elaine: thoughts down as I was doing the analysis of the lyrics.
Speaker:Elaine: And I was like, is this a metaphorical mama?
Speaker:Elaine: Like, what if it's just a literal mama?
Speaker:Trist: And then even
Speaker:Elaine: Oh.
Speaker:Trist: the chorus, you know, there's that "You can choose the rain.
Speaker:Trist: I choose the sun."
Speaker:Elaine: Yeah.
Speaker:Trist: That's.
Speaker:Elaine: But there's this whole sense of
Speaker:Elaine: like, that's all I need to free
Speaker:Elaine: myself, right?
Speaker:Trist: Yep.
Speaker:Elaine: And so there's this freedom
Speaker:Elaine: anthem that's happening here,
Speaker:Elaine: but
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: it's freedom anthem from this toxic relationship.
Speaker:Elaine: And yeah, the more I stared at it, the more I was like, oh,
Speaker:Elaine: wow, this song was not what I thought it was.
Speaker:Trist: Wow.
Speaker:Elaine: And I've
Speaker:Trist: Me
Speaker:Elaine: listened
Speaker:Trist: either.
Speaker:Elaine: to it for over five years, you
Speaker:Trist: Wow.
Speaker:Elaine: know, like.
Speaker:Trist: I never, ever, ever thought of
Speaker:Trist: it from that perspective
Speaker:Trist: whatsoever.
Speaker:Elaine: So
Speaker:Trist: I knew I liked
Speaker:Elaine: yeah.
Speaker:Trist: some of those lines by themselves in a vacuum, but.
Speaker:Trist: Wow.
Speaker:Trist: That's great.
Speaker:Elaine: So anyway, that's what I got out of this after
Speaker:Trist: Wow.
Speaker:Elaine: staring at it for a little while.
Speaker:Trist: That's really cool.
Speaker:Trist: I didn't really ever listen to the whole thing in that context.
Speaker:Trist: Like you said, it's part of the whole album.
Speaker:Trist: I liked the song.
Speaker:Trist: I liked the chords.
Speaker:Trist: Some of those lines would stick out, and I didn't ever put
Speaker:Trist: thought to the meaning behind all of those particular lyrics.
Speaker:Trist: But wow, the way you are painting that now.
Speaker:Trist: And yeah, you're right, the way that she sings and in this
Speaker:Trist: style, "Mama, you can choose the rain," it doesn't come off like
Speaker:Trist: she's talking about her mother when you just are passively
Speaker:Trist: listening to it.
Speaker:Trist: That's just like talking about anyone.
Speaker:Trist: And at the beginning, like I'm a woman with a mission.
Speaker:Trist: So it feels like some women's empowerment and
Speaker:Elaine: Exactly.
Speaker:Trist: "a past to outdo," oh, I've got
Speaker:Trist: to be better than my female
Speaker:Trist: counterparts were back in the
Speaker:Trist: day.
Speaker:Trist: So it feels like a woman's empowerment kind of song.
Speaker:Elaine: Mhm.
Speaker:Trist: But, just for those couple of lines
Speaker:Elaine: That's right.
Speaker:Trist: that
Speaker:Elaine: Yeah.
Speaker:Trist: I'm not
Speaker:Elaine: And
Speaker:Trist: paying
Speaker:Elaine: I think
Speaker:Trist: attention
Speaker:Elaine: that's why
Speaker:Trist: to.
Speaker:Elaine: this was so fascinating for me to go through it.
Speaker:Elaine: Now, even within this context, if we take this interpretation
Speaker:Elaine: of the lyrics and we think about the outro, which I thought was
Speaker:Elaine: really interesting repeats a couple of times.
Speaker:Elaine: That's what I need to free myself.
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: There is this amazing vocal.
Speaker:Elaine: I don't even know whether it's
Speaker:Elaine: like a freedom chant or whatever
Speaker:Elaine: it is.
Speaker:Elaine: Like it's all sorts of vocal craziness happening and it's
Speaker:Elaine: pulled way, way back.
Speaker:Elaine: And it's almost like her going off into freedom.
Speaker:Elaine: Even just right now as we were talking about it, what does it
Speaker:Elaine: mean that it sounds like this?
Speaker:Elaine: After this I'm choosing freedom.
Speaker:Elaine: And then to have this vocal playing that's happening on
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: top of that.
Speaker:Trist: So yeah, what we just said that
Speaker:Trist: answers your first question when
Speaker:Trist: you said, why did I choose this
Speaker:Trist: one?
Speaker:Trist: That's why.
Speaker:Trist: Because
Speaker:Elaine: Yeah.
Speaker:Trist: there's just
Speaker:Elaine: And
Speaker:Trist: a lot
Speaker:Elaine: this,
Speaker:Trist: there.
Speaker:Elaine: this outro, these two little lines.
Speaker:Elaine: I'm just looking at the outro lyrics again.
Speaker:Elaine: "This bird's gonna fly so high / Watch my sky come undone."
Speaker:Elaine: And then
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: she has all of this vocal wildness that happens.
Speaker:Elaine: It's so amazing.
Speaker:Elaine: I'm like, oh my goodness, I wish I could do that.
Speaker:Trist: You can choose the rain, but I choose the sun.
Speaker:Elaine: Yeah.
Speaker:Trist: Like your darkness is not going to get me.
Speaker:Elaine: Well, as we wrap this up, I
Speaker:Elaine: would love to talk a little bit
Speaker:Elaine: about the instrumentation
Speaker:Elaine: because we haven't talked a ton
Speaker:Elaine: about this.
Speaker:Elaine: I think this is one of the
Speaker:Elaine: purely rock songs that we've
Speaker:Elaine: done here.
Speaker:Elaine: We're thinking about really a lot of effects on the guitars.
Speaker:Elaine: I don't think we've covered a
Speaker:Elaine: lot of songs with these hard,
Speaker:Elaine: almost crunchy guitar sounds
Speaker:Elaine: that we have that really fill in
Speaker:Elaine: a lot of the background space
Speaker:Elaine: and power chords that are
Speaker:Elaine: hitting these very unusual chord
Speaker:Elaine: changes.
Speaker:Elaine: And I'm wondering if there's
Speaker:Elaine: something that you can tell us
Speaker:Elaine: about that.
Speaker:Trist: the guitar work I know, Mark
Speaker:Trist: Ronson, a really amazing
Speaker:Trist: producer.
Speaker:Trist: Great DJ, authored a book,
Speaker:Trist: married to Meryl Streep's
Speaker:Trist: daughter.
Speaker:Trist: Anyway, lots of things that make him in a reason you might know
Speaker:Trist: who he is.
Speaker:Trist: This was an earlier entry into his doing this kind of thing.
Speaker:Trist: I know he plays guitar on this.
Speaker:Trist: that's just obviously the vibe
Speaker:Trist: they were going after and now
Speaker:Trist: that we're digging through these
Speaker:Trist: lyrics and the aggression, like,
Speaker:Trist: I will not be pulled into your
Speaker:Trist: funk.
Speaker:Trist: Like I need to be strong, then all makes sense with the lyric,
Speaker:Trist: that it would be this strong rock and roll sound.
Speaker:Elaine: It definitely gives a sense of a lot more aggression, you
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: know, because I think that this
Speaker:Elaine: type of sound is often linked
Speaker:Elaine: with voices of aggression or
Speaker:Elaine: empowerment.
Speaker:Elaine: To what you were saying before,
Speaker:Elaine: like this very female
Speaker:Elaine: empowerment.
Speaker:Elaine: And also her voice is so strong, So it definitely has a sense of,
Speaker:Elaine: oh, I am empowered as a woman.
Speaker:Elaine: And then
Speaker:Trist: Yeah.
Speaker:Elaine: you find out it is a different type of empowerment.
Speaker:Elaine: Did you find out who wrote the song?
Speaker:Trist: Oh, yeah.
Speaker:Trist: No, it was her.
Speaker:Elaine: Oh, okay.
Speaker:Elaine: So I guess the question is, is
Speaker:Elaine: it autobiographical or is it a
Speaker:Elaine: song about some other type of
Speaker:Elaine: character?
Speaker:Elaine: We'll never know, but it is something for us to think about.
Speaker:Trist: I was looking at the credits,
Speaker:Trist: co-written by her and Justin
Speaker:Trist: Stanley who plays guitar on this
Speaker:Trist: and is a producer of the album
Speaker:Trist: as well.
Speaker:Trist: You're right, maybe autobiographical, maybe not.
Speaker:Trist: Who knows?
Speaker:Trist: If I were to guess, I would say
Speaker:Trist: so because boy, those are pretty
Speaker:Trist: strong lyrics.
Speaker:Trist: Maybe she's writing about the relationship of a friend of hers
Speaker:Trist: and her mom.
Speaker:Trist: Who knows?
Speaker:Trist: But
Speaker:Elaine: Exactly.
Speaker:Trist: seems like these lyrics are pointed to something.
Speaker:Trist: They're not just willy nilly.
Speaker:Trist: Now that we've dug into them, pretty strong.
Speaker:Elaine: All right.
Speaker:Elaine: Well, any last thoughts before we move on?
Speaker:Trist: We probably didn't really mention it, but you should check
Speaker:Trist: out the whole album.
Speaker:Trist: That's what I would do if I were
Speaker:Elaine: I
Speaker:Trist: you.
Speaker:Elaine: would
Speaker:Trist: I would
Speaker:Elaine: plus
Speaker:Trist: listen,
Speaker:Elaine: one that.
Speaker:Trist: listen, Just listen to the whole album.
Speaker:Elaine: And if you can figure out what my favorite song is, you can
Speaker:Elaine: email us and let us know.
Speaker:Trist: Okay. Yeah.
Speaker:Elaine: So with that, let's move on to our next segment, which is.
Speaker:Trist: The mailbag.
Speaker:Elaine: That's right, the mailbag.
Speaker:Elaine: And you can get a hold of us via
Speaker:Elaine: email at themusiciansloupe,
Speaker:Elaine: that's L-O-U-P-E at gmail dot
Speaker:Elaine: com, or you can catch us on
Speaker:Elaine: Instagram or Threads
Speaker:Elaine: @themusiciansloupe.
Speaker:Trist: And this is the last time this
Speaker:Trist: season that you can email us
Speaker:Trist: there and let us know about the
Speaker:Trist: particular episode you just
Speaker:Trist: listened to.
Speaker:Trist: And, you can tell us what your
Speaker:Trist: favorite song on the album is
Speaker:Trist: because you listened to the
Speaker:Trist: whole thing and maybe some other
Speaker:Trist: ideas that you have for the pod
Speaker:Trist: and maybe anything else that we
Speaker:Trist: missed.
Speaker:Elaine: All right, so with that, let's
Speaker:Elaine: look at our last mailbag of the
Speaker:Elaine: season.
Speaker:Elaine: This mailbag entry is from
Speaker:Elaine: Threads from @craig_70 from May
Speaker:Elaine: of 2026.
Speaker:Elaine: And he writes, "Desperately seeking new music selections.
Speaker:Elaine: Open to any genre."
Speaker:Elaine: And I am really interested in hearing how you discover new
Speaker:Elaine: music in this day and age.
Speaker:Trist: I think a lot of new music I discover accidentally, I
Speaker:Trist: overhear, the apps, the Shazam on your phone, any of the music
Speaker:Trist: recognition apps that you have when you're in a restaurant and
Speaker:Trist: there's a song that's cool and you can just grab what it is and
Speaker:Trist: then check it out.
Speaker:Trist: People do ask me this a bit.
Speaker:Trist: If you are talking about the algorithms and usually in a
Speaker:Trist: negative connotation, but if you've been listening to a
Speaker:Trist: particular platform often.
Speaker:Trist: And if you have kind of eclectic
Speaker:Trist: tastes, it shoots all over the
Speaker:Trist: place.
Speaker:Trist: The recommended things that it will find and spit back at you
Speaker:Trist: quite often are pretty good in terms of like, it's recommending
Speaker:Trist: this, I'll at least give a try.
Speaker:Trist: Not always guaranteed that you're going to like those
Speaker:Trist: things, but that's a good way.
Speaker:Trist: And some of the apps, some of the streamers do a better job of
Speaker:Trist: that, I think.
Speaker:Trist: Probably depends on how deep the
Speaker:Trist: engines are that work that for
Speaker:Trist: them.
Speaker:Trist: But really, happenstance and word of mouth are my favorites.
Speaker:Trist: And being someone who's just
Speaker:Trist: really into music and has a
Speaker:Trist: podcast that talks about music,
Speaker:Trist: I definitely have friends all
Speaker:Trist: the time who are, hey, you might
Speaker:Trist: like this.
Speaker:Trist: Matter of fact, I think our very
Speaker:Trist: first entry for Season 2 is
Speaker:Trist: actually going to be a band that
Speaker:Trist: a friend of mine text messaged
Speaker:Trist: me about.
Speaker:Trist: And so I heard cold out of nowhere.
Speaker:Trist: That's not quite a cliffhanger.
Speaker:Trist: Still, the word of mouth and your friends who really know you
Speaker:Trist: and know what you might like.
Speaker:Trist: I find I get a lot of great discovery that way.
Speaker:Elaine: I think that you and I are both surrounded by a number of very
Speaker:Elaine: talented musicians who understand talent and who will
Speaker:Elaine: share talent, and I know that besides you, there's at least
Speaker:Elaine: one other person who we both know who shares just what he
Speaker:Elaine: finds interesting on his Instagram page, and I will
Speaker:Elaine: occasionally look at his stories and be like, holy cows, this
Speaker:Elaine: person has just blown my mind.
Speaker:Elaine: I need
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: to find more of this person.
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: And I think that that sense of
Speaker:Elaine: word of mouth and having other
Speaker:Elaine: people share what they actively
Speaker:Elaine: love, I think this is kind of
Speaker:Elaine: where we're going into the
Speaker:Elaine: personal recommendation.
Speaker:Elaine: We're so used to this
Speaker:Elaine: algorithmic recommendation,
Speaker:Elaine: which I think you were just
Speaker:Elaine: talking about, that in some
Speaker:Elaine: ways, we're not really having as
Speaker:Elaine: much conversation about music
Speaker:Elaine: anymore.
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: One thing that I find really
Speaker:Elaine: interesting: at work, recently,
Speaker:Elaine: someone decided to put on a
Speaker:Elaine: whiteboard.
Speaker:Elaine: Hey, put down what you would like on your summer playlist.
Speaker:Elaine: Like recommend music for the rest of the team.
Speaker:Elaine: And everyone's
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: been writing a little bit of music and just like the name of
Speaker:Elaine: the track and the artist, and they put together a playlist
Speaker:Elaine: based off of this so that people could discover new music.
Speaker:Trist: Oh. That's
Speaker:Elaine: And
Speaker:Trist: great.
Speaker:Elaine: I think that's really clever.
Speaker:Elaine: And I think that's something that we've been trying to do
Speaker:Elaine: here as a part of this podcast, is put together a really
Speaker:Elaine: interesting, diverse list of music for us be able to open up
Speaker:Elaine: our horizons a little bit more.
Speaker:Elaine: So I just thought that was an interesting little exercise, and
Speaker:Elaine: I'd love to challenge our listeners to also do the same.
Speaker:Elaine: How can you not only curate music and discover music through
Speaker:Elaine: people like us?
Speaker:Elaine: How can you share your music with other people in the broader
Speaker:Elaine: community, whether it's talking about it with your friends or
Speaker:Elaine: sharing something on social media for someone to discover
Speaker:Elaine: some other artist.
Speaker:Trist: We're coming up with other creative things to do.
Speaker:Trist: Like instead of having a book club, you have a record club
Speaker:Trist: where everybody listens to the same album, and every week you
Speaker:Trist: talk about that album or every month you talk about that album
Speaker:Trist: because you've experienced the same chapters, the same stories
Speaker:Trist: on that album, just like you would a book.
Speaker:Elaine: That's really interesting.
Speaker:Elaine: And I encourage people also to
Speaker:Elaine: do this in person, whether it's
Speaker:Elaine: listening to something in
Speaker:Elaine: person.
Speaker:Elaine: I'm also a big proponent of snacks.
Speaker:Elaine: And so if you, if you meet in person, you get to have snacks.
Speaker:Trist: Exactly.
Speaker:Elaine: And so it's like
Speaker:Trist: And
Speaker:Elaine: the
Speaker:Trist: that's
Speaker:Elaine: benefit
Speaker:Trist: how you
Speaker:Elaine: of community.
Speaker:Trist: assure people show up is
Speaker:Elaine: Exactly.
Speaker:Trist: if you have snacks.
Speaker:Elaine: So.
Speaker:Trist: Matter of fact, I think I just came up with my plan for the
Speaker:Trist: summer while we take our break from the pod.
Speaker:Trist: I think I'm going to have instead of a book club, I think
Speaker:Trist: I'm going to have a record club.
Speaker:Elaine: Oh!
Speaker:Trist: I just
Speaker:Elaine: am I
Speaker:Trist: decided,
Speaker:Elaine: invited?
Speaker:Elaine: I hope I'm invited.
Speaker:Trist: well, it's going to be in person, so you're probably
Speaker:Elaine: It's
Speaker:Trist: going
Speaker:Elaine: going
Speaker:Trist: to
Speaker:Elaine: to
Speaker:Trist: miss
Speaker:Elaine: be challenging.
Speaker:Trist: most of them.
Speaker:Trist: For those of you who don't know, Elaine and I do not live in the
Speaker:Trist: same city, so that would not be an easy thing to do.
Speaker:Elaine: That's
Speaker:Trist: But you
Speaker:Elaine: right.
Speaker:Trist: never
Speaker:Elaine: We live
Speaker:Trist: know.
Speaker:Elaine: about.
Speaker:Elaine: Yeah, 350 miles.
Speaker:Elaine: What can you say?
Speaker:Trist: That's right.
Speaker:Trist: Has to be a really good album.
Speaker:Elaine: Exactly.
Speaker:Elaine: Well, are there any other ways that you have discovered music,
Speaker:Elaine: either by accident?
Speaker:Elaine: I know that in last week's
Speaker:Elaine: episode I had talked about just
Speaker:Elaine: discovering things randomly at a
Speaker:Elaine: record store.
Speaker:Elaine: I was just paging through and found a random album that looked
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: interesting, and I bought it,
Speaker:Elaine: and it ended up being one of my
Speaker:Elaine: favorite albums.
Speaker:Elaine: Do you see random chance as
Speaker:Elaine: being something that, I mean,
Speaker:Elaine: maybe that's not a great way to
Speaker:Elaine: discover music or to actually
Speaker:Elaine: learn music.
Speaker:Trist: I think it used to be a little more prevalent when that was the
Speaker:Trist: way, when, of course, you couldn't just sample everything.
Speaker:Trist: The older paradigms were: Yep.
Speaker:Trist: There's that one song you kind of know, hopefully you'll like
Speaker:Trist: the rest of the album.
Speaker:Trist: And then when you go to the store, oh, look, the album
Speaker:Trist: that's next to it has a picture of someone who's kind of cute.
Speaker:Trist: Maybe I'll like that.
Speaker:Trist: or it's right next to the one that I like.
Speaker:Trist: Maybe it's good too.
Speaker:Trist: Or down to, oh, at least it's on
Speaker:Trist: the same label or made by the
Speaker:Trist: same producer.
Speaker:Trist: or something on the packaging that gets you to buy it.
Speaker:Trist: Even though I got to hear a little bit when I was working at
Speaker:Trist: music retail back in the day, the big famous Norah Jones album
Speaker:Trist: that came out.
Speaker:Trist: I was interested in it first
Speaker:Trist: when it came into our store
Speaker:Trist: because it was on Blue Note
Speaker:Trist: Records.
Speaker:Trist: I'm a jazz music fan and that's a big jazz music label.
Speaker:Trist: And she did the standard "The Nearness of You."
Speaker:Trist: So because I didn't know anything about her and this was
Speaker:Trist: before the single was out or it had blown up for her.
Speaker:Trist: It's such a massive hit.
Speaker:Trist: I was thinking, okay, it's Blue
Speaker:Trist: Note, it's a jazzy thing,
Speaker:Trist: probably.
Speaker:Trist: And then there's this standard songbook tune that jazz
Speaker:Trist: musicians had played or sung.
Speaker:Trist: So I thought, oh, okay.
Speaker:Trist: these other songs that don't
Speaker:Trist: look familiar, maybe these are
Speaker:Trist: original compositions and this
Speaker:Trist: will be a cool jazz singer to
Speaker:Trist: listen to.
Speaker:Trist: And while she definitely has those elements, it's not the
Speaker:Trist: kind of standards jazz singer album that I thought it was.
Speaker:Trist: But it was enough that I would have purchased it, if we didn't
Speaker:Trist: have the demo in the store that I listened to.
Speaker:Trist: But that's the kind of thing that would make me buy an album
Speaker:Trist: back in the day.
Speaker:Trist: And now you don't need to spend all that.
Speaker:Trist: because you can just sample and listen to it.
Speaker:Elaine: One of the other things that has really come to mind and what you
Speaker:Elaine: just said triggered it, is buying the entire album.
Speaker:Elaine: And we've talked about this before, but if you hear
Speaker:Elaine: something on the radio or you hear something out there and you
Speaker:Elaine: think, oh, this artist seems kind of cool, or this track
Speaker:Elaine: seems kind of cool.
Speaker:Elaine: So one of the things that I do
Speaker:Elaine: is I ride the Peloton bike and a
Speaker:Elaine: lot of those are set to music
Speaker:Elaine: and
Speaker:Trist: Mhm.
Speaker:Elaine: they have the playlist there.
Speaker:Elaine: You can actually save songs from
Speaker:Elaine: the playlist for you to listen
Speaker:Elaine: to later.
Speaker:Elaine: So as I'm discovering new genres, let's say like a
Speaker:Elaine: Bollywood or some K-pop artist, I can go ahead and save the ones
Speaker:Elaine: that I really like and then look at them later and maybe I want
Speaker:Elaine: to buy that entire album to discover more music.
Speaker:Elaine: And so that's something that you've mentioned before,
Speaker:Trist: Yeah.
Speaker:Elaine: and that's part of the reason why you and I, when we talk,
Speaker:Elaine: most of the time it's about entire albums, not just songs.
Speaker:Trist: Did we mention you should listen to the whole Nikka Costa album?
Speaker:Trist: I highly recommend it.
Speaker:Trist: If we didn't say so, you should definitely check that out.
Speaker:Elaine: Well, let me add one more thing,
Speaker:Elaine: which is don't sleep on the
Speaker:Elaine: library.
Speaker:Elaine: Like if you live in an area with a really good library, you can
Speaker:Elaine: go and check out music and hopefully you still have a way
Speaker:Elaine: of playing physical media, but it is this thing where a lot of
Speaker:Elaine: us have access to these free resources in our community.
Speaker:Elaine: Also, call out to support your local library.
Speaker:Elaine: But these are things that you can do.
Speaker:Elaine: Can you talk a little bit about your relationship with the local
Speaker:Trist: Oh,
Speaker:Elaine: library?
Speaker:Trist: man, we have an amazing library where I live.
Speaker:Trist: I live in Glendale, California.
Speaker:Trist: And up on the hill there's the
Speaker:Trist: Brand Library, the Brand Music &
Speaker:Trist: Art Library.
Speaker:Trist: I don't think they do this
Speaker:Trist: anymore, but when I moved here,
Speaker:Trist: I think you could actually check
Speaker:Trist: out artwork.
Speaker:Trist: Like you could check out like
Speaker:Trist: amazing artwork and just have it
Speaker:Trist: in your home for like a month or
Speaker:Trist: something crazy.
Speaker:Trist: Anyway, so there are art and
Speaker:Trist: music students from the major
Speaker:Trist: universities in Los Angeles that
Speaker:Trist: don't even go to their own
Speaker:Trist: library.
Speaker:Trist: They go to this library instead.
Speaker:Trist: And yes, I've gotten a lot of music and that's a great place
Speaker:Trist: to sample some things.
Speaker:Trist: A huge music library.
Speaker:Trist: They do have some vinyl that you
Speaker:Trist: have to sort through a catalog
Speaker:Trist: and request.
Speaker:Trist: but thousands and thousands and
Speaker:Trist: thousands of CDs of all types of
Speaker:Trist: classical and jazz and pop and
Speaker:Trist: world music.
Speaker:Trist: And then a lot of writings and
Speaker:Trist: actual scores, sheet music as
Speaker:Trist: well.
Speaker:Trist: Big box sets of composers and different artists.
Speaker:Trist: It's a wonderful place.
Speaker:Trist: I think they now limit you.
Speaker:Trist: I think you can only check out a hundred CDs at a time.
Speaker:Trist: speaking of the summer listening, take the time to go
Speaker:Trist: to the local library, even if they have a smaller collection,
Speaker:Trist: maybe there's an artist there that you've heard the name of.
Speaker:Trist: You just didn't take time to listen to.
Speaker:Trist: it's another resource, as Elaine said.
Speaker:Elaine: All right.
Speaker:Elaine: So any last thoughts on this before we close out our season?
Speaker:Trist: Oh, just so grateful to all of
Speaker:Trist: you who have listened, who have
Speaker:Trist: sent messages and notes about
Speaker:Trist: thoughts on what we should be
Speaker:Trist: doing, what you'd like to hear
Speaker:Trist: from us.
Speaker:Trist: Please, please, please, let the
Speaker:Trist: sessions that are out there
Speaker:Trist: already do their work and keep
Speaker:Trist: recommending episodes to your
Speaker:Trist: friends and family and share the
Speaker:Trist: playlist.
Speaker:Trist: Speaking of sharing the
Speaker:Trist: playlist, we will update it with
Speaker:Trist: everything from Season 1, so
Speaker:Trist: they'll all be complete soon, if
Speaker:Trist: not already by the time you hear
Speaker:Trist: this.
Speaker:Trist: And then that way, if they just
Speaker:Trist: get into the songs, that's
Speaker:Trist: great.
Speaker:Trist: But if any of them strikes their fancy, they can listen.
Speaker:Trist: And you can all wait with bated
Speaker:Trist: breath to see what we do for
Speaker:Trist: Season 2.
Speaker:Trist: Any ideas, even structurally about how we put it together.
Speaker:Trist: This is the time that we will make those changes is going into
Speaker:Trist: another season and that'll be coming up in the fall.
Speaker:Trist: Glad to have you.
Speaker:Elaine: Well, we hope you have a great summer and we will see you again
Speaker:Elaine: in the fall.
Speaker:Trist: Bye!
Speaker:Elaine: I was gonna say something and I forgot what it was.
Speaker:Trist: And I'm super unprepared because
Speaker:Trist: that's just off the top of my
Speaker:Trist: head.
Speaker:Elaine: Still no butter update.
Speaker:Elaine: When did you recommend this to me?
Speaker:Trist: Actually that's funny.
